1 00:00:02,399 --> 00:00:10,940 foreign 2 00:00:32,870 --> 00:00:16,100 [Music] 3 00:00:35,569 --> 00:00:32,880 UFOs were left to the private 4 00:00:39,170 --> 00:00:35,579 investigators by Charles Lear on 5 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:39,180 December 17 1969 the Air Force issued a 6 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:40,800 press release through the office of 7 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:42,719 assistant Secretary of Defense public 8 00:00:46,850 --> 00:00:45,120 affairs announcing the termination of 9 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:46,860 the Air Force's UFO investigation 10 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:48,780 Project Blue Book with the end of 11 00:00:53,510 --> 00:00:51,360 Project Blue Book UFO investigation was 12 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:53,520 left to private organizations and the 13 00:00:57,529 --> 00:00:55,620 two most prominent at the time were the 14 00:01:00,349 --> 00:00:57,539 aerial phenomena research organization 15 00:01:02,029 --> 00:01:00,359 run by Jim and Carl Lorenson and the 16 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:02,039 national investigations committee on 17 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:04,019 aerial phenomena directed by Major 18 00:01:09,230 --> 00:01:07,020 Donald E Kehoe U.S Marine Corps retired 19 00:01:11,390 --> 00:01:09,240 besides the challenge of now being the 20 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:11,400 two main places to turn to for Citizens 21 00:01:16,070 --> 00:01:14,100 wanting to make UFO reports both groups 22 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:16,080 were about to face some major changes in 23 00:01:19,850 --> 00:01:18,119 their organizational structures that 24 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:19,860 would lead to the demise of one and 25 00:01:25,609 --> 00:01:22,080 create a major rival for the other in 26 00:01:28,429 --> 00:01:25,619 the July 1969 Issue Number 20 of Skylake 27 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:28,439 a publication started in September 1960 28 00:01:34,069 --> 00:01:31,740 9 by Missouri residents John Coons Norma 29 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:34,079 short and Ted Phillips Jr it has 30 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:35,759 announced that Skylock is now the 31 00:01:40,670 --> 00:01:38,340 official publication of the Midwest UFO 32 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:40,680 Network the magazine staff at this point 33 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:43,380 is listed as Norma short Ted Phillips Jr 34 00:01:48,889 --> 00:01:46,380 John schussler Walter Andrus and Lucius 35 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:48,899 Farish schuessler is described as an 36 00:01:53,810 --> 00:01:50,880 opera consultant and Andrus is 37 00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:53,820 co-chairman of Illinois section apro and 38 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:55,619 Illinois state director of the Midwest 39 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,079 UFO Network there is a description of 40 00:02:01,850 --> 00:02:00,240 the group's formation process and it is 41 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:01,860 mentioned that the group would be 42 00:02:06,410 --> 00:02:04,439 affiliated with apro but not controlled 43 00:02:09,410 --> 00:02:06,420 by afro through a dotted line 44 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:09,420 relationship the affiliation wouldn't 45 00:02:14,809 --> 00:02:12,060 last long according to a brief history 46 00:02:16,610 --> 00:02:14,819 of mufon written by John schussler the 47 00:02:18,589 --> 00:02:16,620 appro management reacted to the 48 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:18,599 government's words shutting down Project 49 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:20,760 Blue Book by reinforcing their 50 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:23,220 centralized management approach one can 51 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:25,040 see a hint of this in the July August 52 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:28,200 1969 April bulletin in an article on 53 00:02:33,530 --> 00:02:30,840 page H2 headlined field investigators 54 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:33,540 Network the reader is told this once the 55 00:02:37,369 --> 00:02:35,340 field investigator's network is running 56 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:37,379 smoothly apra will notify the 57 00:02:41,869 --> 00:02:39,420 investigator closest to the scene of a 58 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:41,879 UFO incident and receive a prompt and 59 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:44,280 accurate report according to schustler 60 00:02:49,070 --> 00:02:47,160 Andrus was getting a flow of reports and 61 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:49,080 needed to train investigators on his own 62 00:02:54,589 --> 00:02:51,660 and oversee investigations in his own 63 00:02:57,350 --> 00:02:54,599 backyard Andrus pled his case to apro 64 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:57,360 but they became more determined that the 65 00:03:02,210 --> 00:02:59,400 Midwest contingent was a hindrance 66 00:03:04,369 --> 00:03:02,220 rather than a help to abro in response 67 00:03:06,649 --> 00:03:04,379 address contacted investigators from 68 00:03:09,430 --> 00:03:06,659 Wisconsin Illinois Kansas and Missouri 69 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:09,440 and held a meeting on May 31 70 00:03:15,290 --> 00:03:12,959 1969. it was there that Alan R Aki an 71 00:03:17,170 --> 00:03:15,300 apro consultant and associate professor 72 00:03:20,270 --> 00:03:17,180 of chemistry at Wisconsin University 73 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:20,280 proposed the creation of the Midwest UFO 74 00:03:26,509 --> 00:03:22,860 Network the Midwest UFO Network became 75 00:03:28,910 --> 00:03:26,519 the mutual UFO Network in 1973 and 76 00:03:32,030 --> 00:03:28,920 continues under that name as of of this 77 00:03:34,670 --> 00:03:32,040 writing as mufon grew so did a sense of 78 00:03:36,830 --> 00:03:34,680 rivalry between that group and afro this 79 00:03:39,229 --> 00:03:36,840 came to a head during the 1980 cash 80 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:39,239 Landrum case Kirk Collins wrote about 81 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:42,299 this in a blog headlined mufon vs afro 82 00:03:47,630 --> 00:03:45,060 allegations accusations and counter 83 00:03:50,570 --> 00:03:47,640 charges the cash Landrum UFO case 84 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:50,580 backstage drama posted on his site blue 85 00:03:55,429 --> 00:03:53,280 blurry limes there he provides links to 86 00:03:57,229 --> 00:03:55,439 documents that give an indication as to 87 00:04:01,250 --> 00:03:57,239 how it odds the two groups have become 88 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:01,260 in a letter dated July 27 1982 written 89 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:03,720 by Carl Lorenson to Robert Barrow she 90 00:04:09,649 --> 00:04:06,959 calls Andrus a first-rate liar she then 91 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:09,659 adds this he is almost single-handedly 92 00:04:14,570 --> 00:04:12,000 responsible for the mongrelization of 93 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:14,580 UFO research with his promoting of P 94 00:04:19,550 --> 00:04:16,680 brains who do its bidding and add names 95 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:19,560 to his list of state directors Etc Ad 96 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:22,440 nauseam Donald E Keo was removed as 97 00:04:27,230 --> 00:04:25,320 director of nycap in 1969. the 98 00:04:29,629 --> 00:04:27,240 organization died a slow death after 99 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:29,639 that and there has been speculation that 100 00:04:34,909 --> 00:04:32,280 the CIA had a hand in it Todd zachelle 101 00:04:38,270 --> 00:04:34,919 wrote about the CIA nycop Connection in 102 00:04:40,189 --> 00:04:38,280 the January 1979 issue of just cause the 103 00:04:43,390 --> 00:04:40,199 newsletter put out by citizens against 104 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:43,400 UFO secrecy nycap was incorporated in 105 00:04:49,129 --> 00:04:46,800 1956 and two men's a shell ardues were 106 00:04:51,170 --> 00:04:49,139 covert CIA operatives were put into 107 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:51,180 chair positions within the organization 108 00:04:55,909 --> 00:04:54,060 one of these men was Bernard J.O 109 00:04:58,310 --> 00:04:55,919 Carvalho was made the chairman of 110 00:05:00,590 --> 00:04:58,320 nycap's membership committee according 111 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:00,600 to Zay shell Carvalho worked as a 112 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:02,820 frontman for companies secretly run by 113 00:05:08,029 --> 00:05:05,940 the CIA the other was count Nicholas de 114 00:05:10,850 --> 00:05:08,039 Roquefort who has made Vice chairman of 115 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:10,860 nicap according to zaychel De Roquefort 116 00:05:15,469 --> 00:05:12,780 worked with the cia's psychological 117 00:05:17,629 --> 00:05:15,479 warfare staff zaychel tells the reader 118 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:17,639 there is more than ample evidence to 119 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:19,620 conclusively establish both the 120 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:21,780 Roquefort and Carvalho or at least 121 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:23,520 during certain periods of their lives 122 00:05:28,010 --> 00:05:25,680 covert employees of the Central 123 00:05:30,650 --> 00:05:28,020 Intelligence Agency the director of 124 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:30,660 night for its first year was T Townsend 125 00:05:35,810 --> 00:05:33,240 brown brown was replaced by Kehoe at the 126 00:05:38,450 --> 00:05:35,820 end of 1956 and Carvalho and de 127 00:05:40,490 --> 00:05:38,460 Roquefort left shortly thereafter Keo 128 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:40,500 had been a classmate of vice admiral 129 00:05:45,529 --> 00:05:43,620 Roscoe hillencoder U.S Navy retired at 130 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:45,539 the Naval Academy in Annapolis Maryland 131 00:05:49,689 --> 00:05:47,940 and he got Helen cutter to agree to sit 132 00:05:51,830 --> 00:05:49,699 on nikap's Board of Governors 133 00:05:54,110 --> 00:05:51,840 hillencoder was the first director of 134 00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:54,120 the CIA so this is a definite connection 135 00:05:58,969 --> 00:05:56,940 between the CIA and nicap it doesn't 136 00:06:01,309 --> 00:05:58,979 seem as if Helen cutter was under any 137 00:06:03,529 --> 00:06:01,319 direct influence by the CIA while he was 138 00:06:05,570 --> 00:06:03,539 with niccat Hill encoders publicly 139 00:06:07,969 --> 00:06:05,580 stated beliefs aligned with those of 140 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:07,979 Kehoe and nycap and he openly accused 141 00:06:12,710 --> 00:06:10,080 the air force of misleading the American 142 00:06:15,230 --> 00:06:12,720 public when it came to UFOs and urged 143 00:06:19,070 --> 00:06:15,240 action by Congress to reduce the danger 144 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:19,080 from secrecy in 1962 hillencoder seems 145 00:06:22,969 --> 00:06:21,000 to have had a change of heart that year 146 00:06:24,830 --> 00:06:22,979 he resigned from the board in the midst 147 00:06:27,230 --> 00:06:24,840 of kehoe's efforts to get Congress to 148 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:27,240 hold open hearings on UFOs and the Air 149 00:06:31,670 --> 00:06:29,520 Force's handling of the pro problem in 150 00:06:33,590 --> 00:06:31,680 his letter of resignation Helen coder 151 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:33,600 wrote The Air Force cannot do more under 152 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:36,000 the circumstances and I believe we 153 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:37,860 should not continue to criticize their 154 00:06:42,110 --> 00:06:40,380 investigations seychell addresses the 155 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:42,120 presence on the board at the time of his 156 00:06:47,689 --> 00:06:45,360 writing of Colonel Joseph Bryan III U.S 157 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:47,699 Air Force retired whom he describes as 158 00:06:53,770 --> 00:06:50,220 the founder and original chief of the 159 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:53,780 cia's psychological warfare staff 160 00:06:59,029 --> 00:06:56,880 1947-1953 Seychelles says that during 161 00:07:01,670 --> 00:06:59,039 interviews he held with Brian Brian 162 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:01,680 confirmed his CIA connections Brian 163 00:07:06,950 --> 00:07:04,259 asked that his position as a covert CIA 164 00:07:08,749 --> 00:07:06,960 operative not be made public and denied 165 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:08,759 having any connection or communication 166 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:11,340 with the agency while he sat on nycap's 167 00:07:16,249 --> 00:07:13,740 board when it was suggested to Brian the 168 00:07:18,469 --> 00:07:16,259 two CIA covert agents had penetrated 169 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:18,479 nycap at its very beginning Brian 170 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:20,580 replied there's nothing to penetrate 171 00:07:26,089 --> 00:07:22,860 about it was all overt the whole thing 172 00:07:28,249 --> 00:07:26,099 after Keo was removed as director he was 173 00:07:31,309 --> 00:07:28,259 kicked upstairs and moved to the board 174 00:07:32,990 --> 00:07:31,319 Jack Acuff took over a cuff had been the 175 00:07:35,330 --> 00:07:33,000 head of the Society of photographic 176 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:35,340 scientists and Engineers which according 177 00:07:40,189 --> 00:07:37,500 to say shell have been the target of 178 00:07:42,249 --> 00:07:40,199 frequent KGB spying attempts due to the 179 00:07:45,469 --> 00:07:42,259 fact that many of its members were CIA 180 00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:45,479 photoanalysts Seychelles says that Acuff 181 00:07:50,210 --> 00:07:47,940 had been approached by Soviet agents on 182 00:07:52,610 --> 00:07:50,220 several occasions and reported this to 183 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:52,620 the FBI he began meeting with the 184 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:55,680 Soviets at the behest of the FBI acting 185 00:08:01,309 --> 00:07:58,440 in effect as a covert agent another 186 00:08:04,430 --> 00:08:01,319 suspected CIA affiliate in the nicap 187 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:04,440 organization was G Stuart Nixon who in 188 00:08:11,089 --> 00:08:08,160 1973 was assistant to akov say shell 189 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:11,099 references a document from the CIA where 190 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:13,620 an unnamed person indicates some 191 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:16,740 familiarity with G Stuart Nixon seychell 192 00:08:22,129 --> 00:08:19,500 also points out that daily Nica blogs 193 00:08:25,249 --> 00:08:22,139 reflect that Nixon met with several past 194 00:08:27,350 --> 00:08:25,259 and present then CIA employees on a 195 00:08:29,990 --> 00:08:27,360 frequent basis at the time of 196 00:08:31,790 --> 00:08:30,000 seychelle's writing nycap was withering 197 00:08:34,490 --> 00:08:31,800 and close to death as an organization 198 00:08:37,969 --> 00:08:34,500 and Acuff had been replaced by Alan C 199 00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:37,979 Hall a retired CIA employee living in 200 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:40,500 Bethesda seychell concludes this article 201 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:42,719 by bringing up the theory that the CIA 202 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:45,140 had purposely destroyed the leading 203 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:48,000 anti-secrety organization of the 1960s 204 00:08:53,090 --> 00:08:49,980 and stopped short of agreeing with this 205 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:53,100 this possibility was debated online by 206 00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:55,620 nycap insiders including Fran Ridge 207 00:09:02,269 --> 00:08:58,560 Gordon lore and Jan Aldridge as recently 208 00:09:04,730 --> 00:09:02,279 as 2018 and they were unable to agree on 209 00:09:07,490 --> 00:09:04,740 whether it was the CIA or just poor 210 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:07,500 management that killed nycap the CIA 211 00:09:13,250 --> 00:09:09,660 nycap connection was looked into deeply 212 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:13,260 by Jack Brewer in his 2021 book Wayward 213 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:16,320 sons nycap in the IC Brewer did 214 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:18,600 extensive research and filed foia 215 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:21,000 requests and was unable to positively 216 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:24,180 identify any of the suspected CIA covert 217 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:26,220 agents as such though the evidence he 218 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:28,800 presents appears convincing through or 219 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:30,779 leans towards the idea that the CIA 220 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:33,240 helped set up the organization and used 221 00:09:37,730 --> 00:09:35,160 it as an asset for various purposes 222 00:09:39,769 --> 00:09:37,740 including propaganda leak detection and 223 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:39,779 money laundering and then put an end to 224 00:09:44,449 --> 00:09:42,120 it when it outlived its usefulness he 225 00:09:46,550 --> 00:09:44,459 likes a shell stopped short of reaching 226 00:09:48,769 --> 00:09:46,560 a final conclusion so the question of 227 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:48,779 whether or not the CIA had a hand in 228 00:09:55,009 --> 00:09:51,000 nikap's beginning and end remains an 229 00:09:56,140 --> 00:09:55,019 open one available June 2022 from flying 230 00:09:57,710 --> 00:09:56,150 disc press 231 00:09:59,630 --> 00:09:57,720 [Music] 232 00:10:01,910 --> 00:09:59,640 a book about the people involved in the 233 00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:01,920 mystery covering the Golden Age of 234 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:03,420 flying saucers 235 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:07,200 using newsletters magazines Case Files 236 00:10:11,630 --> 00:10:10,200 official documents and more sure to 237 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:11,640 leave even the die-hard skeptic 238 00:10:17,889 --> 00:10:15,240 wandering by Charles Lair New York USA 239 00:10:22,610 --> 00:10:17,899 the Flying Saucer investigators 240 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